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Titel: Microsoft Hard-Balling EU Over Vista
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You Europeans are so lucky! I'm moving to Europe.
Hasta laVista baby! |
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| So M$ are saying "do whatever we want or we won't take your money?". Why does that sound unlikely? M$ really do think they are above the law don't they? It is a sad thing when the law bends to accommodate corporations instead of corporations bending to accommodating the law. Who the hell do they think they are? |
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I don't get it. If M$ wants to, let them lock up Vista for M$ software only!
We don't need even more market protection in europe, and especially NOT in the software industry. Unfortunately the EU doesn't seem very happy about the idea of free markets.  |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 10:11 Uhr
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Roughnecks hat folgendes geschrieben::
I don't get it. If M$ wants to, let them lock up Vista for M$ software only!
We don't need even more market protection in europe, and especially NOT in the software industry. Unfortunately the EU doesn't seem very happy about the idea of free markets.
Anti-trust and anti-monopoly law is always a vital part of functioning free markets, and Europe is simply enforcing them (finally!), while the US (based on almost the same law) does not - at least in the case of Microsoft. The history of this company is plastered with convictions for breaking those laws, but finally the EU had the guts to actually charge them seriously for doing so. That's why M$ is trying now to tell the world that the EU would be reason for their broken release plan. Next time they probably tell us that their bugs and viruses are the responsibility of the EU administration - haha  .
Microsoft managed to entirely loose it's credibility with the EU administration - and it's costumers in Europe.
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 11:19 Uhr
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Here here, slam.
The EC are standing up for their citizens against the criminal and unethical business practices of a foreign company. They should be applauded for their efforts. Unregulated free enterprise means heading down the "might is right" path where justice goes to the highest bidder.
Let's not forget that the only reason Tim Paterson didn't sue Gates for fraud when he sold QDOS to IBM was because he couldn't afford to take on IBM in court. The EU are standing up for all the other victims of M$ that also lack the financial means to mount a challenge. It's time somebody called M$ to task. Go get 'em boys!!!! |
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Roughnecks hat folgendes geschrieben::
I don't get it. If M$ wants to, let them lock up Vista for M$ software only!
We don't need even more market protection in europe, and especially NOT in the software industry. Unfortunately the EU doesn't seem very happy about the idea of free markets.
There is no way MS will not release Vista in Europe, this is even more rubbish than they normally talk. Just think of the thousands of multinational companies in Europe this would affect, probably with MS contracts do you think they would take this laying down, no way. MS may be a very big company but it has crap management. They live in their own little world and they are bullies but things are changing. Even in the states there are moves against closed formats, ODF for example.
How can what the EU are doing be considered protectionism, what European OS is the EU protecting, no, it is about protecting consumers from monopolies, at least the EU does this and I am thankful it does along with fighting the worst of the software patents. The USA, well it seems the dollar is king f**k the consumer. |
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titan hat folgendes geschrieben::
it is about protecting consumers from monopolies, at least the EU does this and I am thankful it does along with fighting the worst of the software patents. The USA, well it seems the dollar is king f**k the consumer.
So very true in a corporate country, $$$ means everything. This makes me sick. |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 16:14 Uhr
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Interesting!
So, if everyone doesnt like what M$ is doing, M$ is just going to go away? (yah, right)
As my SO just stated: "You's want me to break there legs Boss?"
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 17:25 Uhr
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[quote="Cuddles"
So, if everyone doesnt like what M$ is doing, M$ is just going to go away? (yah, right)
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Cuddles, is this in the right thread, I just don,t understand what you mean. MS is not going away, nobody has said or implied that. It is MS that have said they will not release Vista in Europe if they don,t get their own way.
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Titan,
Sarcastic, I am... M$ is not going to go away, they may have to "play ball" with the EC, and they "usually" dont like to play a game when they; 1 ) Cant win, or 2 ) Cant manipulate the rules of the game, so they can win....
I meant my previous post as a sarcastic remark to M$ practices and activities. |
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Verfasst am: 14.09.2006, 13:51 Uhr
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slam hat folgendes geschrieben::
Roughnecks hat folgendes geschrieben::
I don't get it. If M$ wants to, let them lock up Vista for M$ software only!
We don't need even more market protection in europe, and especially NOT in the software industry. Unfortunately the EU doesn't seem very happy about the idea of free markets.
Anti-trust and anti-monopoly law is always a vital part of functioning free markets, and Europe is simply enforcing them (finally!), while the US (based on almost the same law) does not - at least in the case of Microsoft. The history of this company is plastered with convictions for breaking those laws, but finally the EU had the guts to actually charge them seriously for doing so. That's why M$ is trying now to tell the world that the EU would be reason for their broken release plan. Next time they probably tell us that their bugs and viruses are the responsibility of the EU administration - haha .
Microsoft managed to entirely loose it's credibility with the EU administration - and it's costumers in Europe.
Greetings,
Chris
Gotta agree ...
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In this instance, Microsoft is complaining that Kroes has not been clear enough with Ballmer about what it will take for Microsoft to win commission approval for Vista, the new operating system.
I think its been abundantly clear and M$ has chosen simply to ignore it thinking it will simply play hardball abnd hope industry in different EU countires campaigns on its behalf rather than trying to comply.
Considering the tactic used by M$ has been obfuscification aimed to simply draw out the process and non complaince its not really surprising that the EU commision is not willing to do their job for them.
Had M$ started off reasonable it would no doubt have received more help but when its primary tactic has been wasting time and resources and dragging out deadlines I'm rather glad the EU are putting there foot down. |
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Verfasst am: 15.09.2006, 01:10 Uhr
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| There's an old saying that if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. Microsoft's tool is and has been the bullying and intimidation hammer. It's worked great on other software companies in the US, many of whom it has smashed. It's worked well enough on the Federal and the various state governments in this country, too. How well will it work on the EU? I hope not a damn bit. |
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