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Titel: Praise for "etch"
 Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 00:09 Uhr
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From DistroWatch Weekly:
"How good will be the upcoming release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "etch"? If you believe Joey Schulze, one of the most prominent Debian developers, then "etch" is not ready for release: "I'm scared by Debian etch. It'll probably become the worst Debian release ever. It's going to hurt our reputation." Luckily, the above assertion turns out to be a joke: "After plugging the cable into the USB slot, an icon appeared on the screen and after clicked caused the system to mount the first partition on the external disk. It worked. Out of the box. Without tweaking anything. That's so non-Debian..." A pre-configured scroll wheel on a USB mouse further puzzled the well-known Debian personality who concludes his weblog entry with: "Where are the hours of fiddling around how to properly add USB stuff to the system? Where are the evenings you needed to debug such stuff? Nowadays it just works? Where's the Debian we all knew?" Is Ubuntu getting some serious competition from its older brother? We should find out before the end of this year...." |
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 04:03 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 04:33 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 09:18 Uhr
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Well, if you're using Kanotix - you're actually using now most the stuff that will be in Etch by the end of the year.
Greetings,
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 09:53 Uhr
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i tried etch some weeks ago in a virtual machine and i was very impressed. it basically feels like kanotix, but it will be frozen into a "stable" condition in december.
we'll see in december... i'm hopeful, three |
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 10:44 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 13:37 Uhr
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Cathbard hat folgendes geschrieben::
Etch is German for "Haven't discovered Kanotix" isn't it?
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 14:53 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 17:53 Uhr
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As noted, the etch that will become debian stable around december will be very much like today's kanotix.
So if you want to setup some stable machines, assuming your hardware all works and is detected, this is probably a very good time to do that. Home servers, for example, comes to mind as a good place for that, or a laptop where etch works perfectly, and you want it to stay that way for the next 3-5 years, with only security updates etc and upgrades, not dist-upgrades.
I'm going to setup a box like that, though at the moment I doubt I'll change over any desktops to etch, simply because kanotix is working far too well to even think of switching. |
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 21:37 Uhr
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piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Cathbard hat folgendes geschrieben::
Etch is German for "Haven't discovered Kanotix" isn't it?
hehe, you and mz deserve a beer !!!!
Wahooooo! Had a few tonight, but I get me a glass of Hungarian Red Wine now, to hail Kanotix as it is! 
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 21:38 Uhr
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Cathbard hat folgendes geschrieben::
Etch is German for "Haven't discovered Kanotix" isn't it?
I know yours is only a joke, but without Etch (which as everybody knows is Sid after some extra testing) Kanotix couldn't exist  |
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 21:48 Uhr
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Daniele,
I don't get you. Kanotix uses Sid, Etch is the next step. So: do Kano's fixes not help users of Etch a few weeks/months later if they are seeking for them?
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 22:04 Uhr
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hubi hat folgendes geschrieben::
Daniele,
I don't get you. Kanotix uses Sid, Etch is the next step. So: do Kano's fixes not help users of Etch a few weeks/months later if they are seeking for them?
hubi
Sorry hubi, I must confess you lost *me* (to make it more clear, I don't understand what you mean) |
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Italien ohne Sizilien macht gar kein Bild in der Seele, hier ist der Schluessel zu allem.
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 22:39 Uhr
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Daniele,
I just did not get, why Kanotix would not exist without Etch, because Kanotix uses Sid (Unstable) as basis.
About the fixes: bigger changes move into Sid first, so we get fixes here for Sid by Kano or teammembers, and those fixes can be used in Etch as well when these changes move up to Etch. But they are first here, at Kanotix, at Sid, not at Etch.
Hope that I can get my viewpoint through,
hubi |
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 22:54 Uhr
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hubi hat folgendes geschrieben::
Daniele,
I just did not get, why Kanotix would not exist without Etch, because Kanotix uses Sid (Unstable) as basis.
Yes, but Sid exists only as a test bed for Debian testing (which at the moment is Etch)
Zitat:
About the fixes: bigger changes move into Sid first, so we get fixes here for Sid by Kano or teammembers, and those fixes can be used in Etch as well when these changes move up to Etch. But they are first here, at Kanotix, at Sid, not at Etch.
Yes, but I don't believe that Kanotix fixes are used by the Debian team. I might be wrong, though. |
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Italien ohne Sizilien macht gar kein Bild in der Seele, hier ist der Schluessel zu allem.
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 23:34 Uhr
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I don't believe that Kanotix fixes are used by the Debian team
If the Debian team isn't using Kanotix fixes, they aren't behaving intelligently. IMHO, Debian should delegate hardware detection and the GUI installer to Kano and company. We all know that a Kanotix install is as easy as falling in love and Kanotix has few, if any, peers with hardware detection. Imagine how popular "Etch" would be if Kano was in charge of those two items! Ubuntu would be a shrinking image in Etch's rear view mirror. |
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Verfasst am: 12.09.2006, 23:36 Uhr
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1. answer
Don't know what they are doing at Etch, but: Sid is supported by Kanotix and all the Debian fixes are earlier here than in Etch (goodies and badies).
2. answer
Don't know what the Kanotix team is doing towards Debian, but I did bugreports to Debian which were fixed, so fixed packages are going up to Etch because we were doing something here (developers and users - and I am just a user).
Overall:
We use Kanotix kernels and scripts, we are supported by a fantastic team and a fantastic community to ship around the problems of Sid and are able to use the beauty of Sid. There is no urge for me to use Etch, and the question remains: who will support me when using Etch (which is surely a very fine system, but who might support me?). Using Kanotix gives me fantastic software support (from Debian), a fantastic team (Kanotix), the newest kernels (Kanotix), the best support ever (team, community in forum and IRC), and the team releases fantastic Live-CDs. No use to switch, just the urge to stick with this crew.
hubi |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 00:39 Uhr
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I have to agree with hubi.
I have been using Sid in various forms over the last 20 months (Kanotix, Mepis and Debian netinstall) and have never needed to re-install, mainly down to people here, but also on Mepis forums too, so Etch would be a backward step for me. |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 01:01 Uhr
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michael7 hat folgendes geschrieben::
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I don't believe that Kanotix fixes are used by the Debian team
If the Debian team isn't using Kanotix fixes, they aren't behaving intelligently.
Well it would depend on if the Kanotix team is submitting their patches.
And usually the fixes are "don't upgrade today" or downgrade this package. These are usual fixes to get you machine up and running again, but hardly useful as an upstream fix. |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 06:03 Uhr
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I don't get it. It's people testing sid (like Kanotix) that makes etch possible. If nobody tested unstable it would stay in sid and never become etch. Things move into testing after people have played with them in unstable and found the bugs. Aren't you putting the cart before the horse? Etch wouldn't exist without sid. And what makes you think that the Kanotix team don't feed bug reports and fixes back to debian?
Kanotix makes sid usable so I don't see a need for etch if you use Kanotix - hence the joke. |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 09:15 Uhr
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Zitat:
Yes, but I don't believe that Kanotix fixes are used by the Debian team. I might be wrong, though.
Dead wrong ....
Greetings,
Chris |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 10:10 Uhr
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I keep an etch installed to a partition on my system just incase things go wrong in sid/ kanotix.........
Must of booted to it for that reason less than 5 times ever
But etch is very good, i do like it, and the new graphical installs are great.
Not too sure bout the default gnome setup it dumps you in, bloody awful looking would be the correct words...
Peace
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 11:59 Uhr
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slam hat folgendes geschrieben::
Zitat:
Yes, but I don't believe that Kanotix fixes are used by the Debian team. I might be wrong, though.
Dead wrong ....
Greetings,
Chris
And so, what answers would you give to jackiebrown's objections? |
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 12:38 Uhr
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And so, what answers would you give to jackiebrown's objections?
The Kanotix team is submitting bug reports, fixes and patches on an almost daily base to upstream developers and Debian maintainers. Some of our team members are upstream developers/maintainers themselves. Despite many other (commercial) Linux distributions who harvest everything from the open source community and contribute just very little, we are part of the open source community ourselves. I really thought this was clearly stated several time already here in our forums.
This is probably less visible to everyone not involved in that process, what you see are the results only. However, everybody is very welcome to join our IRC where most of the related communications take place. Kanotix has nothing to hide, and everybody is hearty invited to help and contribute.
Greetings,
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Verfasst am: 13.09.2006, 13:52 Uhr
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| Hey Slam...we are not knocking your work...just pointing out some things |
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