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					| Titel: Dist upgrade threatens to remove hal-device-manager?  Verfasst am: 23.06.2006, 22:35 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | Hi, is there some sort of storm going on with the Sid repositories right now? 
 I just tried to do a dist upgrade and I got a mesaage saying that some pretty important stuff was going to be removed from my system.
 
 Should we all hold off from upgrading for a while?
 
 This is the message I got:
 
 
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The following packages will be REMOVED:
gjots2 hal-device-manager istanbul libannodex0-dev libtasn1-2-dev
 python-gnome2 python2.3-cairo python2.3-ctypes python2.3-glade2
 python2.3-gnome2 python2.3-gtk2 python2.3-opengl python2.4-cairo
 python2.4-glade2 python2.4-gnome2 python2.4-gtk2
 
 
 GJ
 
 PS I did read the message on the front page about dbus - and I installed it.
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					| Titel:  Verfasst am: 23.06.2006, 22:44 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | My dist-upgrades haven't caused the above but I don't have gjots2, istanbul or hal-device-manager installed. I did lose streamtuner two days ago taking two python* packages with it. Reinstalling streamtuner took two further python* packages with two python* additions. 
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					| Titel: RE: Dist upgrade threatens to remove hal-device-manager?  Verfasst am: 23.06.2006, 22:45 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | hmm, my results 
 root@KanotixBox:/home/piper# apt-get dist-upgrade
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree... Done
 Calculating upgrade... Done
 The following packages have been kept back:
 python-qt3 squashfs-tools
 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
 
 
 Although python wars is going on .............I can't help much, you can wait or try irc
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					| Titel: RE: Dist upgrade threatens to remove hal-device-manager?  Verfasst am: 23.06.2006, 23:11 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | Well my full distupgrade is a little more extensive. I haven't done a dist upgrade for about 6 days.... 
 
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apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree... Done
 Calculating upgrade... Done
 The following packages will be REMOVED:
 gjots2 hal-device-manager istanbul libannodex0-dev libtasn1-2-dev
 python-gnome2 python2.3-cairo python2.3-ctypes python2.3-glade2
 python2.3-gnome2 python2.3-gtk2 python2.3-opengl python2.4-cairo
 python2.4-glade2 python2.4-gnome2 python2.4-gtk2
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
 evolution-data-server-common libcmml1 libcommoncpp2-1.4-0 libecal1.2-6
 libedata-cal1.2-5 libfile-ncopy-perl libgksu2-0 libgnome-window-settings1
 libhk-classes13 libmime-types-perl libmms0 libnautilus-burn3 libode0c2
 libpci2 libtasn1-3 libtasn1-3-dev modconf pyqt-tools python-cairo
 python-cddb python-soya-common python2.3-soya rosegarden-data
 rox-desktop-core sgf2dg ttf-thai-tlwg
 The following packages have been kept back:
 checkinstall gtklookat libgringotts-dev libgtk+2.0-directfb-dev libgtk-java
 libgtk-jni python-egenix-mxproxy python-kde3 python-pychart python-qt3
 python-xml texlive-doc-base texlive-fonts-extra
 The following packages will be upgraded:
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 amarok-engines amarok-xine amor amule amule-common amule-daemon amule-utils
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 capplets-data catdvi cdbs cl-asdf clisp cm-super cm-super-x11 console-data
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 flashplugin-nonfree fontconfig fonttools foomatic-db-gutenprint freej ftjam
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					| Titel: RE: Dist upgrade threatens to remove hal-device-manager?  Verfasst am: 24.06.2006, 07:43 Uhr |  | 
  
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					| Titel:  Verfasst am: 24.06.2006, 12:25 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | Thanks, it's just HAL I'm concerned with really. HAL is pretty useful - so unless the upstream developers have decided we don't need it somehow, I am curious as to why it has been marked for removal? 
 Also we are having a bit of a python war too it seems as a lot of python packages have been removed too in recent dist upgrades. (Nothing croitical so far though).
 
 Lol maybe the debian developers really should produce some kind of weather chart - so that we can predict in advance when these kinds of major storms are going to occur?
 
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					| Titel:  Verfasst am: 24.06.2006, 14:50 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | It's not hal but hal-device-manager which is a hal suggest. I haven't got it installed. 
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          | Yeah I know - but hal-device-manager is useful too. I'm still not clear on the reasoning behind removing it though? 
 I also seem to be loosing a lot of python stuff too as time goes on... But I figured if I ever needed it I could probabluy install it with whatever app needed to use it at that time.
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					| Titel:  Verfasst am: 24.06.2006, 16:19 Uhr |  | 
  
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          | It seems more extreme than when I lost two packages with streamtuner; but reinstalling streamtuner added another two python packages with it. 
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